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No jobs for US citizens without Homeland Security approval
Careers & Jobs – US citizens who apply for a job will need prior approval from Department of Homeland Security under the terms immigration bill passed by the Senate this week. Even current employees will need to obtain eligibility approval from the DHS Within 60 days of the Immigration Reform Act of 2006 becoming law.
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Who's to say that mistakes such as a the case of a Canadian citizen being detained and put on the no-fly list for unfounded suspicions wont be made in this case. Innocent people could be mixed up by officials or be refused the right to work on suspicions that are unfounded thus ruining someones life.
Ecotec: be refused the right to work on suspicions that are unfounded thus ruining someones life.
That is what the Real ID act is trying to fix...get everyone a Real Valid picture ID for legal work eligibility and then they will not have that problem...DUH
Haven't they been trying to implement something very similar to Real ID in the UK now for the last couple of years? Almost every security expert there who doesn't work for the government has reviewed the implications and concluded that passage would be a field day for identity thieves. I mean, if the ID has "your" fingerprints, then it MUST have been you who ordered those diamond-studded shoes, right?
Only those doing nothing make no mistakes. The alternative to controlling who is entering the country and who is getting jobs is allowing ANYONE to enter the country and get a job including terrorists and Millions of uneducated poor people that will fill American cities begging, demanding and then stealing and robbing money and goods to feed themselves and their families.
There is a system in place that encodes biometric data into guest worker cards to match the workers to their IDs.
The border patrol does not use it because it would make the lines to get into the country too long. I'm not making this up, articles about it have been posted on Netscape.
That's the real reason this bill and the Real ID are a load of crap. Criminals would figure out how to get around it and regular folks would just get bogged down.
I do not really care about articles posted on Netscape. A non-existent system can not be referred as a "system in place". Further, if you or anyone else do not like this bill try to offer a better one. As long as you do not have anything better to offer it means that this "load of crap" is the best you know.
Mistakes like this will be made all the time. They already are. The algorithms in the computer systems are very, very innacurate. The IT geeks making fortunes putting these systems in place paint a pretty picture. The truth is, they aren't that good at executing the code and the statasticians aren't that accurate in creating the altorithms.
You know, we already have a law on the books that says you have to prove your legal status to be employed. And you have to give your employer your Social Security Number. Because it is a law, doesn't make it happen. Just ask the Gov of NJ, they have a law that says you have to have your seat belt on, well he didn't.
True. Wer need some way for employers to access a goverment system to verify the SS and other ID's as well as a picture ID that matches up to it....
Maybe, it makes sense to have a federal database of picture ID, matching fingerprints and other identifying information for EVERY US resident as well as every person entering the US. This will make it easy and straightforward for employers and others needing this information to verify that the individual claiming that he is the John/Jane Doe actually is him or her. In addition, it will make the job of law inforcement organizations much easier, wouldn't it?
You know, why read any bill originating from D.C. and our elected power elitist representatives. From Pork to caving into others to stay in power. Who the hell represents you? The answer is stark and obvious, nobody. No bill passed by Congress benefits Americans except the few the attachments that are added to he new laws benefit.
Every incumbent MUST be voted out. A clean slate would be refresing. I say again, Vote out every Republican and Democrat that is now in power and who lies to you each and every day about conditions governing your life.
Can we do worse than what we now have?
Lobbyist and the corporate elite along with the so called advocates who proclaim their party, Democrat/Republican are looking for something for free on the backs of the average American taxpayer. Rid ourselves of these vermin for now or at least until corruption again takes over our government.
Extreme change is good for any governing body, even our forefathers thought so.
In my case, I have a Democrat Congressman due to massively gerrymandered disctrict that includes and entire county full of nothing but farms and illegal alien farm workers and a sliver of San Diego county from there to the coast along the border with Mexico and two Democrat Senators from the SF Bay Area who definitely do not represent San Diego people.....we have sent out a petition to divide California into at least three states, maybe four, in order to get the proper Senate representation for the massive population.......
It will take extreme change. Vote for people who are not elected by 30 second sound bites. They should have to do a half page position paper every week, no soft money, only the donations of the people. Soft money, that is money that is donated to a political party and the political party runs ads that push their idiots candidates point of view. Sneaky money and no limits, trips, booze, girls, whatever your favorite candy. They provide it.
Live debates, a couple every week, real debates all over the country, televised, with no questions off limits.. Regular people need to get involved and fill these political offices.
From your city and county seats, to state and Federal office. Anybody cheating in Govt. the should get life in prision. It;sbreaking the ultimate trust.
You can't trust people who win or are the predicted winners based on the money they have raised. We are out of touch with the politicians. We never see them and if we do it's a camera sound bite. Clean house
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Pure fascism, by any definition.
Mussolini defined fascism as being a right-wing collectivistic ideology in opposition to socialism, liberalism, democracy and individualism.
"1. a sense of overwhelming crisis beyond reach of traditional solutions; 2. belief one's group is the victim, justifying any action without legal or moral limits; 3. need for authority by a natural leader above the law, relying on the superiority of his instincts; 4. right of the chosen people to dominate others without legal or moral restraint; 5. fear of foreign `contamination.
Fascism is also typified by totalitarian attempts to impose state control over all aspects of life: political, social, cultural, and economic; in the examples given, by way of a strong, single-party government for enacting laws and a strong, sometimes brutal militia or police force for enforcing them
WOW this is disturbing. I cannot believe this is not getting more attention. This should frighten any corporation that uses lots of workers and goes through them fairly quickly. Heck, even the mom and pop run business will be hurt by this.
This is a no win situation for Citizens and just another way to waste our tax dollars.
Well I can't see the DHS processing all this in a timely manner, but if they could, and only legal folks can get the approval and the card to be able to work,,THEN WHY do we need any of the rest of the bill, illegals won't get the card, can't work, no jobs, and they can go home, where ever that may be.I think it might be a win situation,if it worked, just say no to amnesty or whatever they call it.
ABANOCLA: just say no to amnesty or whatever they call it.
But they won't pass that by itself. That should already be required but again, the ACLU and other neocommies won't allow it......no national ID...remember them all screaming about it?
I don't see what everyone is complaining about.
This will make our burgers and tacos, our mopped floors, our seasonally-picked vegetables, and telemarketing calls essentially terror-free.
It won't work for the telemarketing calls. Those call centers are already in the other countries.
My vegetables and floors are already terror-free because I grow/pick and wash them myself :)
This is reminding me of a futuristic sci-fi movie I saw once. We'll all have to use our microchipped cards for ID and to get in the gate.
Do you have a problem with it? I don't. I wouldn't have any problems for YOU to use your microchipped cards for ID in order to get into MY gate.
Do you have a problem with it? I don't. I wouldn't have any problems for YOU to use your microchipped cards for ID in order to get into MY gate.>>>>
And your screen name is "thinker"....oops, got a bit of an oxymoron going on here when comparing that to your remark. So does the 22 after 'thinker' mean your age? If so, I guess you can be somewhat excused for your inability to think critically. If not....my condolences. Probably too late for you.
Yes, sounds like male sexist bs.
I suspect tehranchik is NOT a 300lb male bodybuilder type but you should be more careful what you wish for in virtual reality..
Of course perhaps the kingsize gorilla guerilla would suit you perfectly?
[Maybe 22 is his/her birthyear in which case perhaps congrats on longevity of youthful folly are in order?]
BTW if your 11 represents the same - congratulations!! :)
Aidenag: This is a no win situation for Citizens and just another way to waste our tax dollars.
Of course they had to do this under threat of massive unending lawsuits by the commie ACLU.....
The ACLU often takes cases takes cases defending Klansmen, and others like yourself.
I am a black U.S citizen who is also a member of the ACLU. They don't represent Klansman, you ignorant, racist a--hole! People like you would love for anyone not white to just die so you could have the country all to your white, ignorant self...or have me and other non-whites still be your slaves. You don't give a sh-t about anyone's freedoms but your own and sadly, you are not alone. We've been dealing with people like you from this country's beginning.
uh, I think he was making the point that the ACLU doesn't discriminate, even against freaks.
There ought to be massive lawsuits over this.
This is just too much interference by Homeland
Stupidity.
Er, didn't the ACLU make a statement to the effect that having a national "no-work" list constituted a violation of the constitution, and that they'd fight that tooth and nail?
that they did. Dont mind what KingOfTruth said, he just saw the letters ACLU in the article and assumed it must be their doing..
Mussolini was either lying or he couldn't have defined socialism to save his life. If you have a collectivistic societal model, and the money and/or other benefits of society are transfered to the government and then used to keep a 'ruling class' in power, there's simply no substantial difference between that and socialism. About the only differences you can come up with are:
1) Exactly which aspects of society are monopolized under government authority and what cosmetic nonsense is written into the associated confiscation laws to attempt to placate the victims of the confiscation. (communists confiscated land and claimed it was 'for the common good', Nazis made it illegal to do anything with your land without government permission and then claimed people still 'owned' their land)
2) How much money is given to the poor as bribes for political support vs. how much is spent on cheap swindles to get support out of the poor anyway.
Try reality sometime, Mussolini never did.
eminent domain?
JackofallChems:(communists confiscated land and claimed it was 'for the common good', Nazis made it illegal to do anything with your land without government permission and then claimed people still 'owned' their land)
That is exactly what DemLib socialist neo commies and other one worlders(like GW and Gore,unfortunately)are doing all over the US...envirowhackos are buying up land or forcing the US or State Governments to do so and in some cases it is being done by declaring vast parts of the US ecological reserves or UN World Heritage Sites...and massive influence by NGO's...etc...International Biological Program(IBP), The Committee for the Conservation of Terrestrial Communities (IBP-CT), HabitatNet International Biodiversity Symposium for Youth, the World Network of Biosphere Reserves, under the Man and the Biosphere (MAB) Programme of the United Nations Scientific, Educational and Cultural Organization (UNESCO).
http://www.sovereignty.net/p/land/mapmabwh.htm
This sounds like the I9 law restated. That's the one where you have to prove your right to work as a legal citizen. The one that requires you to produce your birth certificate and SS card in order to get a job. This HAS been law since 1987.
nope. actually, one does not need a Soc. Sec. number to work in the USA. yes, it is true. it has been challenged by some for religious reasons and they have won the right not to have Soc. Sec. numbers.
There are other documents besides Birth certificate and Soc. Sec. card that are acceptable. Don't let an ignorant employer tell you only those are acceptable.
It's called a Taxpayer ID number but that still requires proof that you are in the US legally and have alegal right to work....and injest....surely you speak in jest....the law does say that but it only says that the employers have to look at it and keep it on file...there is no mandatory check with the SS system or anyone else to see if the ID's are valid and belong to the person presenting it. Picture ID's are not even needed....the ACLU and DemLibs won't allow it.....
True, there are List A, List B, and List C items that can be substituted for the types of identification most of us carry (or have in our possession).
This sounds like the I9 law restated. That's the one where you have to prove your right to work as a legal citizen. The one that requires you to produce your birth certificate and SS card in order to get a job. This HAS been law since 1987.
true i filled one out for my latest job
I'm a stylist slate----if you can do a great cut, use a little mousse, blowdry---you're hired!
LOL I used to have hair
Obaku:
Pure fascism, by any definition.
True. And Ted Kennedy has been pushing this fascim upon us since 1965 and no one has been able to stop him yet.....he is insane...he has always been insane and he should have retired to prison last century....
Neo-con CHANGE THE TOPIC strategy, again..
"Mussolini defined fascism as being a right-wing collectivistic ideology in opposition to socialism, liberalism, democracy and individualism."
Funny, but Mussolini was a socialist, Nazis were National Socialists as well as Franco. So, it appears you have a quite misleading definition. I would not be surprised if Mussolini never said any such thing.
Considering Democrats run congress, it's not surprising you would find it to be fascist in nature. The bill was passed last week, after all. Yet more bad democrat legislation. Hopefully, Bush will veto it.
I suggest you read a real history book sometime and not the work of fantasy you pulled that one out of!
Mussolini was a fascist and the NAZI's were anything but Socialists!
Some people of small brain do STILL get taken in by the name "National Socialist".
Of course the name was a scam, a phrase abused in the same way as "Homeland Security" for example.
You see it and I see it, but I seriously doubt that they do!
The "National" in "National Socialist" is the giveaway to the real ideals held by the group-only people "like us" get "socialized," everyone else is excluded in one way or another. Can't get work, can't cross borders, can't live anywhere but in a camp. Like Cubans today and Japanese people during WWII.
The Department of Homeland Security is an homage to the KGB/GRU approach to security apparatus.
Sorry, dr, I didn't mean to pre-empt you with the mention of HS..
But perhaps repetition will help!
We implement the same policies as the Soviet Union had in place more and more. This is very disturbing and very prone to abuses of power. Anyone in the right position can introduce business rules into the computer systems that deny people life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness based on any whim or fascistic value system. Constitutional protections of our rights are greatly at risk. Folks, it's time to go read Farenheit 451 again and Brave New World if you don't understand where they are taking us.